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Someone on my message board posted the question in the subject of this post and I thought it was interesting and perhaps more people might be interested in discussing the subject.
Below is the response I gave this person:
OK to finally get to your question (and I hope that when the board is fixed this answer will be up again).
I believe that, yes, you CAN practice magick without believing in deity. However, you can't practice Wicca because Wicca is a specific religion that revolves around the worship of a God and Goddess.
But I think that you DO need to believe that we are all connected to eachother through and by the Universal Consciousness. It is a web that connects all of our consciousnesses... those who live on Earth now, and those who have gone before us and moved on to better things in places other than the material plane here on Earth.
Buddhists, in general, believe that once you achieve enlightenment you join the Universal Consciousness as a mentor and master to those who are still reincarnating. (You have to believe in that as well, I suppose.) Many paths agree that all people have access to the Universal Consciousness through your own essence and inner being. (The part of you that leaves your body when it dies and moves onto the next.) I believe the Buddhists call this part of you the Higher Self.
So, if you believe that we are all connect to and through the Web of Universal Consciousness and reincarnation then you have access to a vast storage of knowledge that may help you get the direction and help that you feel like to need and want without the burden of having to believe in deity.
And magick is easily practicable without belief. But you have to believe that all things on the Earth have a consciousness and aura/energy - not just humans. That includes animals, plants, and crystals/stones/minerals. Clearly we are the highest evolved of the four. In this belief you have to come to an understanding, I think, that the Earth herself has power and energy.
You *COULD* do magick without drawing on Earth energy to help but it's much harder to recover and regain your own energy. This is, in fact, considered a dangerous way to practice magick.
We do all have magick ability but it's just latent in most. And you can use magick without the aid of Earth but it's tiring and dangerous.
So to recap: I BELIEVE, (That means that some other people might disagree and my opinion is not absolute fact here.), that in order to practice you must believe in:
1.) Reincarnation (and in so believing also believe in your Higher Self)
2.) The Web of Universal Consciousness
3.) The fact that all things that exist on Earth (plants, animals, stones/crystals/minerals, and humans) all have their own unique aura and energy, including the Earth itself.
Below is the response I gave this person:
OK to finally get to your question (and I hope that when the board is fixed this answer will be up again).
I believe that, yes, you CAN practice magick without believing in deity. However, you can't practice Wicca because Wicca is a specific religion that revolves around the worship of a God and Goddess.
But I think that you DO need to believe that we are all connected to eachother through and by the Universal Consciousness. It is a web that connects all of our consciousnesses... those who live on Earth now, and those who have gone before us and moved on to better things in places other than the material plane here on Earth.
Buddhists, in general, believe that once you achieve enlightenment you join the Universal Consciousness as a mentor and master to those who are still reincarnating. (You have to believe in that as well, I suppose.) Many paths agree that all people have access to the Universal Consciousness through your own essence and inner being. (The part of you that leaves your body when it dies and moves onto the next.) I believe the Buddhists call this part of you the Higher Self.
So, if you believe that we are all connect to and through the Web of Universal Consciousness and reincarnation then you have access to a vast storage of knowledge that may help you get the direction and help that you feel like to need and want without the burden of having to believe in deity.
And magick is easily practicable without belief. But you have to believe that all things on the Earth have a consciousness and aura/energy - not just humans. That includes animals, plants, and crystals/stones/minerals. Clearly we are the highest evolved of the four. In this belief you have to come to an understanding, I think, that the Earth herself has power and energy.
You *COULD* do magick without drawing on Earth energy to help but it's much harder to recover and regain your own energy. This is, in fact, considered a dangerous way to practice magick.
We do all have magick ability but it's just latent in most. And you can use magick without the aid of Earth but it's tiring and dangerous.
So to recap: I BELIEVE, (That means that some other people might disagree and my opinion is not absolute fact here.), that in order to practice you must believe in:
1.) Reincarnation (and in so believing also believe in your Higher Self)
2.) The Web of Universal Consciousness
3.) The fact that all things that exist on Earth (plants, animals, stones/crystals/minerals, and humans) all have their own unique aura and energy, including the Earth itself.
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Wed, June 8, 2005 - 5:11 PMthat is a really nice reply....
i agree i i dont think a god and goddess r neccessary to practice magik, i think that they r more of an aid, as most of our tools r they help us to focus our energies....it is also alot easier for most ppl to communicate w/a person as opposed to an amorphous entity......
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Wed, June 8, 2005 - 10:19 PMI agree with your reply. Most of the work that I do revolves around working directly with what I call "Source." This is the word I use when teaching. Most people seem to resonate with it and they can usually grasp the concept that I mean the energy behind everything... the stuff we and everything around us are made up of.
To me... source is "beyond diety." It is the whole. Many people divide it into parts (god/dess, good/evil, etc...) but to me it just is. My goal is to live in this wholenss and to let go of duality. So I usually do not use the god and goddess in my magick, my healing work, or in my daily life. I just skip all that and go directly for the source of all (Universal Life Force Energy in most healing techniques.)
I think these are mostly the same ideas, but different words, that come from the different paths we took to get here. It's a very hard subject to put into words... sense you can't really describe it anyway. -
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Thu, June 9, 2005 - 9:19 AMThanks for your replies! I'm glad I wasn't just pulling stuff out of my 'you-know-what'.... I knew it made sense to me so it's good that other people concur with what I said.
I have to agree, I mean I read in books all the time that it is split into the God and Goddess in order to make the concept easier for us to grasp and to be able to relate more closely to deity.
But I do think that I can grasp the concept... and it does seem a little silly to me. I couldn't quite understand the point of a God and Goddess as separate entities either. I do like the concept of a 'Source' (I agree that is a good term) or the 'Creator'.
As I am learning through reading Ken Meadows' books that is mostly what he is teaching as well (although he gives the entity a specific name, Wankan Tanka). To me it seems a lot more practical and grounded, in a way.
Although I find myself wondering how to relate to and develop a relationship with 'the Source' without the convienience of separate deities and entities that I can give specific attributes... Perhaps someone can relate this to me? I suppose that simply by developing a closer relationship with nature as a whole you would be doing just that, wouldn't you?
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Thu, June 9, 2005 - 8:42 PMRogue said: Wankan Tanka
Dawna: Wankan Tanka means Great Spirit - All that is.
Rogue: Although I find myself wondering how to relate to and develop a relationship with 'the Source' without the convienience of separate deities and entities that I can give specific attributes... Perhaps someone can relate this to me? I suppose that simply by developing a closer relationship with nature as a whole you would be doing just that, wouldn't you?
Dawna: IMO, source just is... It is us, you, me, the tree, the dirt, the wind, the rocks, the stars, everything... constantly the same and constantly changing at the same time. So, I guess that by realizing that we are all one and one with nature, you can help to develop a relationship with source. I think that it also helps to work with source. i.e. doing magick or healing... somehow connecting and manipulating the energy that is you... and source.
It's a difficult thing to put into words.. which is why, IMO, some of us divide source into recognizable pieces or parts. To make it tangible or easier to connect with. -
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Fri, June 10, 2005 - 7:11 AMHm... do you teach Shamanism?
Also, do you mind if I post this replies on my message board?
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Sun, June 12, 2005 - 10:03 AMYes, I do teach some basic shamanism classes. I'll be posting classes when I get back from the July festivals, probably starting mid August.
Feel free to post my replies elsewhere.
I also agree that letting things just happen, just BEING is the best way to connect with source. Thank you for that reminder Rachel. -
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Sat, June 18, 2005 - 8:38 AMheres another reminder for u..... sticking ur fingers in ur ears and singing will not solve ur problems, nor make them go away..... u wanted to wait and see, wanted a sign...... make sure that u r ready when that sign hits u over the head..... -
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Mon, June 20, 2005 - 9:30 AMI'm not entirely sure what this is relating to at all... Who is waiting for a sign? And why does this comment seem so bitter and angry? -
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Mon, June 20, 2005 - 4:34 PMIt was a message for me.... Rachel was reminding me of my horoscope from the other day. It was actually really funny, not mean... But I can see how it could be wrongly interpreted. I'm the one waiting for a sign... But at the same time, I'm ignoring the ones I am getting... She was just reminding me that I was already reminded that day. LOL The deleted posts were because we posted some personal stuff on the site, forgetting it could be read by anyone. So I deleted them. Sorry about that.
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Tue, June 21, 2005 - 6:23 AMim sry too rogue... i wasnt thinking when i posted... ill b more carful in the future.... -
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Tue, June 21, 2005 - 9:03 AMOh ok, lol...
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Re: Can you practice magick without a God/dess?
Fri, June 10, 2005 - 5:36 PMi guess i dont really think about it.... i mean spirit, or source is everything , everything is apart of spirit and so r we.... i talk to and comunicate w/spirit as though to a loving parent and best friend. i never doubt that i am heard or that they r with me always, in everything i do. it is teh the simplest most complicated thing i can think of.... my advise.... stop worrying about it so much.... just trust ur gut and go w/it things work out best for me when i just go w/things and let go. i dont worry about all the associations and correlations they confuse teh heck out of me... i just trust my heart and soul and follow their led.
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